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 Post subject: Huntertown Arms Kestrel
PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:01 pm 
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Any thoughts? I am looking at the 5.45/5.56 to use on a Krink.
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 Post subject: Re: Huntertown Arms Kestrel
PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:28 pm 
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Not sure if it was just the video, but that sounded loud on both host weapons? I did like the fact that just the first half had the serial number on it.

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 Post subject: Re: Huntertown Arms Kestrel
PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:31 pm 
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Krink's wont suppress well regarless of how quiet the silencer is, neither does any AK platform. You would think people that make suppressors would know this...


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 Post subject: Re: Huntertown Arms Kestrel
PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:12 am 
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What a shock. Titsworth bashing another manufacturer.


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 Post subject: Re: Huntertown Arms Kestrel
PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:03 am 
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John Titsworth wrote:
Krink's wont suppress well regarless of how quiet the silencer is, neither does any AK platform. You would think people that make suppressors would know this...


My Draco SBR sure sounds better suppressed than non suppressed, but it still sounds better than that Kestrel at least on video. I use a YHM Phantom.

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 Post subject: Re: Huntertown Arms Kestrel
PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:14 pm 
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i have spoken with one of the owners involved with these cans,he also owns 21st century firearms in Bluffton Indiana.i have been to there store many times also have checked these cans out.you can go to there web site and he sell,s them.they are really priced very good.i asked him why should i pay the price for a swr or aac,(which he sell,s also)when i can get his cans a lot cheaper (basically asking him the difference between cans)he said that there cans will hold up an do as good a job as any one else, so why am i paying a lot more.you need to check them out for your self, but they look very good.


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 Post subject: Re: Huntertown Arms Kestrel
PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:46 pm 
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jackson wrote:
...i asked him why should i pay the price for a swr or aac,(which he sell,s also)when i can get his cans a lot cheaper (basically asking him the difference between cans)he said that there cans will hold up (how well?)an do as good (proof? And what is his definition os AS GOOD? I'm guessing if it makes it quieter its AS GOOD)a job as any one else, so why am i paying a lot more.you need to check them out for your self, but they look very good.


I am no expert and I am sure that some non-mainstream suppressors may be just as good as SWR or AAC, but not in all aspects. You have to look at materials, construction process, QC for tolerances and welds, tone, etc. It is possible, but not probable. Even amoung the mainstream companies there are differences (hence "budget cans"). I have what many consider a budget can. I am happy with its performance, but I know there are better out there. The can may be "as good as" in that respect.

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 Post subject: Re: Huntertown Arms Kestrel
PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:22 am 
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No inconel but he says he would replace warn baffles , I woner about high power cans being able to unscrew but it's a good price and nice ideas. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Huntertown Arms Kestrel
PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:20 pm 
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Now I have personally seen these cans as I live in IN. And here is my honest opinion. I applaud a person for getting up and making a suppressor,and making a company work. Now as far as the "AS GOOD AS ANY ONE ELSE" I say that is a matter of who we are talking about. As far as a Tac 65 they have made a perfect working copy by sound NOT by design.{That would be wrong}. And the have a smaller .22 can that is cool but others by SWR and AAC I can not say they have hit the JUST AS GOOD PART yet. There .223 cans are quiet and functional but again not at the JUST AS GOOD stage as of today. But over all the price point on the cans are great and should be looked at when considering what you are getting for the money. Over all they should not be overlooked as a can manufacture goes but I would just stick to the facts not try to make something it's not.


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 Post subject: Re: Huntertown Arms Kestrel
PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:32 pm 
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Flipz wrote:
What a shock. Titsworth bashing another manufacturer.


Sounds like he is bashing the host guns performance while suppressed to me.

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 Post subject: Re: Huntertown Arms Kestrel
PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:02 pm 
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ghostdog662 wrote:
Flipz wrote:
What a shock. Titsworth bashing another manufacturer.


Sounds like he is bashing the host guns performance while suppressed to me.

He is, but then he says this about the manufacturer "You would think people that make suppressors would know this...". Sounds like he's bashing the manufacturer to me. And with his track record of doing so. I have no dought he is.


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 Post subject: Re: Huntertown Arms Kestrel
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John Titsworth wrote:
Krink's wont suppress well regarless of how quiet the silencer is, neither does any AK platform. You would think people that make suppressors would know this...


We made a Krink hearing-safe with our Kestrel. We made an 10.5" AR machine gun hearing safe too. We also made a user-serviceable 5.56 can out of all stainless that weighs about the same as a Phantom, is shorter than an M4/2000, and quieter than a Halo that I guarantee will have a longer service life than any any welded suppressor. And in the even of baffle strikes or structural failures, we can replace components without having to slice the suppressor apart. I guess that since we don't know the rules and boundaries we are able to surpass them.

As far as the JUST AS GOOD AS subthread, I don't know what as good as means. We produce a great suppressor that can be disassembled and cleaned at a great price. Just in testing our Kestrel I've personally become convinced that user-serviceable centerfire suppressors are going to be a requirement just as rimfire suppressors are.

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No inconel but he says he would replace warn baffles , I woner about high power cans being able to unscrew but it's a good price and nice ideas. :D



There are multiple sealing surfaces. In all the testing we've done we haven't had a single can come apart during firing, even with sustained machine gun fire.


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 Post subject: Re: Huntertown Arms Kestrel
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:06 pm 
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semperfiusmc wrote:
John Titsworth wrote:
Krink's wont suppress well regarless of how quiet the silencer is, neither does any AK platform. You would think people that make suppressors would know this...


We made a Krink hearing-safe with our Kestrel. We made an 10.5" AR machine gun hearing safe too. We also made a user-serviceable 5.56 can out of all stainless that weighs about the same as a Phantom, is shorter than an M4/2000, and quieter than a Halo that I guarantee will have a longer service life than any any welded suppressor. And in the even of baffle strikes or structural failures, we can replace components without having to slice the suppressor apart. I guess that since we don't know the rules and boundaries we are able to surpass them.


Far-fetched, dubious statements like the above are the reason certain people got into independent silencer testing. Now that independent testing is in its twilight, these statements are re-appearing.

You did not make a Krink or AR safe to the ear. Maybe your can is shorter than an M4-2000, but it is a thread on with more volume. Is it quieter than a Halo? Even if you could demonstrate that you are testing properly, that isn't much of an achievement. Longer service life than ANY welded suppressor..... :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Huntertown Arms Kestrel
PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:15 am 
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Indeed, those are exceedingly bold claims. Point of fact, if you made a 5.45x39 AK with short barrel (by "Krink" do you mean AKS74-U?) hearing safe you would be the first in the world to do so.

What dB at the ear were you testing? 1m to the side of the muzzle?

What grade of stainless? Any HT on the materials?

Surpass the rules and boundaries - generally smaller manufacturers will duck these questions. Be unique and different and actually answer.

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 Post subject: Re: Huntertown Arms Kestrel
PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:35 am 
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I will say one more thing that is a point of interest on the Kestrel can's. I did see 2 at a local show that were .30 cal and .223 and the cool part was they were user serviceable and I know that is not as needed on a center fire can. But for of us that fire dirty subsonic powder this interests me allot. I will be getting one just for that reason. I can not say that these two cans were quite I did not get to hear them but the baffle design was interesting to say the least. I am sure we will see them in the future. The .30 cal was a little smaller than the Cyclone but not by much. And the .223 was smaller than the M42000. All SS as far as I could tell and built like a tank.

Just a bit of info I have no price info or availability it looked as if these were new and possibly proto type I wasn't sure.


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 Post subject: Re: Huntertown Arms Kestrel
PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:15 am 
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This thread could be epic. Tagged for later enjoyment

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 Post subject: Re: Huntertown Arms Kestrel
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I am no expert and I am sure that some non-mainstream suppressors may be just as good as SWR or AAC, but not in all aspects. You have to look at materials, construction process, QC for tolerances and welds, tone, etc. It is possible, but not probable. Even amoung the mainstream companies there are differences (hence "budget cans"). I have what many consider a budget can. I am happy with its performance, but I know there are better out there. The can may be "as good as" in that respect.



You are right there are plenty of non-mainstream suppressor manufacturers that produce cans just as good as the big dogs.

Just because they don't do thousands of can sales doesn't mean that their QC is poor or construction methods are flawed either. As far as QC goes I have seen as good if not better QC practices on the smaller companies than the big dogs. I have seen alot of QC problems with the big dogs but the sheer volume that they produce makes them less notable compared to a smaller company making a much smaller number of cans. The larger the company the lower on the totem pole QC is.

There is no reason to think that because they don't have a huge staff or dozens of machines that they aren't producing a quality product.


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 Post subject: Re: Huntertown Arms Kestrel
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:58 pm 
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Any news on when the 7.62 version will be available?


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 Post subject: Re: Huntertown Arms Kestrel
PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:33 pm 
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I kinda need one for my 5.56 krink!!

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 Post subject: Re: Huntertown Arms Kestrel
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Bendersquint wrote:
There is no reason to think that because they don't have a huge staff or dozens of machines that they aren't producing a quality product.


That bears repeating. :)


...but I still want to hear any justification on the claims of sound pressure levels and such from the manufacturer. This silencer might be the best thing since sliced bread, but we just don't have enough information other than some truly bold claims thus far.

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 Post subject: Re: Huntertown Arms Kestrel
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How much are they?


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 Post subject: Re: Huntertown Arms Kestrel
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MSRP on the 556 can is supposed to be $499. I don't think they've decided yet for the 7.62 cans.


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Sounds interesting but I will wait for a 24mm 7.62x39 can so I can use it on both.

Your AK-74 will turn into a rust bucket if you shoot corrosive ammo on a suppressed rifle unless you bathtub it when you are done. The can makes all the blast go into the nooks and crannys that are normally unaffected by the gasses. There was a thread a couple years ago on the other site with some really ugly pics.


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 Post subject: Re: Huntertown Arms Kestrel
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YOU AREN'T KIDDING! :shock:

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I have NEVER seen that much crap inside an AK action before after only a few mags. I ended up having to take it entirely apart and clean every last bit.

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 Post subject: Re: Huntertown Arms Kestrel
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Your AK-74 will turn into a rust bucket if you shoot corrosive ammo on a suppressed rifle unless you bathtub it when you are done.

:lol: I see we have another one thats convinced that the method of cleaning a rifle after corrosive ammo hasn't advanced past the 1800's...... :roll:


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